Curse

winkgood · Oct 13, 2006, 12:00 AM // 00:00

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Originally Posted by Sid Soggybottom

Inscriptions are not strictly just so that people can get rare skins. It's just a better salvaging option, period.

Interesting. So if only collector weapons were given the option to add inscriptions, then this would be satisfactory to you? Or even better, if weapon crafters could craft the inherent mod combination of your choice (eg- If you wanted a +30 HP, +10 vs Lightning Dmg, tactics shield) then you would be satisfied? I somehow doubt it. I find it amusing that pro-inscriptionists still claim they are doing this for the mods themselves when it has been made perfectly clear that 95% of you are in it for the skin (a.k.a. vanity).

Akhilleus · Oct 13, 2006, 12:09 AM // 00:09

corwins post made me think...

would you pro-inscriptionists support inscriptions working for nightfall weapons only? (as in only NF weapons could be modded with inscriptions)
that way it would not effect people who have been playing longer, but will still help brand new players, and existing players (should they chose to use NF weapons)?

the reason i ask, is this seems like it could appease both sides...but then again most havent been to supportive of the more thorough collectors suggestion.

Franco · Oct 13, 2006, 12:09 AM // 00:09

no Wink, the other people are the vain ones, they are in it for the stats
because a 12 15^50 weapon is crap only a req 8 will do !!!

/sarcasm

Sid Soggybottom · Oct 13, 2006, 12:10 AM // 00:10

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Originally Posted by winkgood

Interesting. So if only collector weapons were given the option to add inscriptions, then this would be satisfactory to you? Or even better, if weapon crafters could craft the inherent mod combination of your choice (eg- If you wanted a +30 HP, +10 vs Lightning Dmg, tactics shield) then you would be satisfied? I somehow doubt it. I find it amusing that pro-inscriptionists still claim they are doing this for the mods themselves when it has been maid perfectly clear that 95% of you are in it for the skin (a.k.a. vanity).

Sure I'd be satisfied. But why limit it in such a way? And why do you care so much if people use the salvaging system to modify rare skins? That's where your selfishness kicks in.

Blackest Rose · Oct 13, 2006, 12:18 AM // 00:18

OH MY GOD!!!!

67 pages of this crap, bickering, bickering, bickering....

tenryo · Oct 13, 2006, 12:19 AM // 00:19

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Originally Posted by Lawnmower

im by no means rich... I had to beg for money to afford 15k for god sakes. i dont got a single gold right now.

but still.. i sort of enjoy the feeling that there are really rare items out there, and people with alot of money. it makes me feel like a little fish in a big ocean, full fo wonder.

just because i will never have it, it does not mean i cant appreciate it in the larger spectrum of things.

am i a fan of hardcore grinding and stuff? no.

i still wish though that they would create may more mods. maybe stuff like, "+15% damage while attacking a moving target", or "20+ armor if attacked by more than 3 enemies at the same time".

I miss more rare and diverse mods, and more rare skins. i mean ultra rare skins. I do not like the idea that everything will be easily achiveable.

getting max armor and weapons does not take long. getting collector stuff is enough. a superior vigor and certain runes, i can agree with it, can be a bit pricey for the casual gamer. But in generel... in generel nothing of this have to do with significant power.

if people are afraid of scams, i think the game should try to inform ppl better. also about the attribute quests or titan quests.. how many people even know these are in the game? not many i bet. And I know why - Because of poor feedback.

when a newbie starts playing he/she got no idea what a good weapon is. hence why all noobs think its a good idea to pay 200 plat for a sundering fiery sword...

i miss colour and more diversity. I like the idea of some stuff being rare. I dont think life would be very much fun if everyone looked the same or wore the same cloths.

In GW no one have to have the same build. the combinations are almost limitlessly. it would take a player to copy another player intensionaly to get the same effect.

it would be so sweet if armors, facial features, dye and weapons and weapon mods could be just as diverse.

OMG... thank you for renewing my hope in the non veteran crowd! I was wondering how long it would take for people presently without money to appreciate the fact that the rarity of the skins, and the effort that is placed into obtaining them, is precisely what makes them so sought after, as well as the only thing that makes this game worth playing past its initial 15 hours.

Hats off to you my friend. A true voice of reason amidst a sea of ignorance and shortsightedness.

tenryo · Oct 13, 2006, 12:37 AM // 00:37

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Originally Posted by sumrtym

Exactly. And why FoW armor is craftable, and not a drop. Inscriptions removes the stupid barrior, and prevents people losing interest / frustration because of the sheer impossibility of finding what they want to make their characters look how they wish under the present system.

BENEFIT without DOWNSIDE.

If you wish to continue looking in your near hopeless quest vs. crafting one after inscriptions, no one is stopping you. Enjoy like you always have.

you miss the point that for the price of a set or 2 of FOW there is virtually nothing in the game, short of perhaps decent modded crystallines or dwarven axes, that are not obtainable within a short 2 days of a guru wtb post. For the right price, everything is easily obtainable. Especially statwise... want a 30/+10 vs slasher shield? I just sold one today relatively cheap. Want dual reduction shields? I got a few u can buy too and so do lots of others. Want -2+10 shields? I saw a whole slew for sale asc international dis 1 today. Want that perfect crystalline? I've seen a few for sale to those with 600-1500 ectos handy. Really. The only effect of adding inscribable mods is to gut the economy. There is no shortage of supply. There is only a shortage of "funds" for the unfortunate few who are either too lazy, too busy, or too unintelligent to procure them.

Loviatar · Oct 13, 2006, 12:40 AM // 00:40

IT IS NOT THE GOLD.

it is i have it you dont so i am somehow better than you

now a person can join a group and show off his 5,000,000 gold *BUTTERKNIFE OF DOOM* and everybody stokes his/her ego by telling them how fantastic they are to afford a 5,000,000 gold item

when the change hits he/she whips out their *BUTTERKNIFE OF DOOM* and 4 others whip out the very same *BUTTERKNIFE OF DOOM* and laugh at him/her for spending that much

he/she does the ragequit

sumrtym · Oct 13, 2006, 12:44 AM // 00:44

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Originally Posted by tenryo

you miss the point that for the price of a set or 2 of FOW there is virtually nothing in the game, short of perhaps decent modded crystallines or dwarven axes, that are not obtainable within a short 2 days of a guru wtb post. For the right price, everything is easily obtainable. Especially statwise... want a 30/+10 vs slasher shield? I just sold one today relatively cheap. Want dual reduction shields? I got a few u can buy too and so do lots of others. Want -2+10 shields? I saw a whole slew for sale asc international dis 1 today. Want that perfect crystalline? I've seen a few for sale to those with 600-1500 ectos handy. Really. The only effect of adding inscribable mods is to gut the economy. There is no shortage of supply. There is only a shortage of "funds" for the unfortunate few who are either too lazy, too busy, or too unintelligent to procure them.

Fine. WTB 20/20 req 8-9 Zodiac wands MATCHED req and 20/20 recharge/cast for blood, death, and curse.

If I don't get them in 2 days, will you admit you're full of hot air?

BTW, if the only way you feel good is to get ego stroked by others about your weapon, than ya....ragequit. I personally think that's pretty petty to deny EVERYONE the opportunity to CREATE something they STILL HAVE TO WORK FOR! Stop stating it's like typing /preorder. Geesh.

Sid Soggybottom · Oct 13, 2006, 12:47 AM // 00:47

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Originally Posted by tenryo

The only effect of adding inscribable mods is to gut the economy. There is no shortage of supply. There is only a shortage of "funds" for the unfortunate few who are either too lazy, too busy, or too unintelligent to procure them.

AHAAHAHA! You really think that it takes intelligence to mindlessly farm or trade for enough gold to buy those items? Wow, now I see how low your standards for intelligence are.

And yet again we have people proclaiming that the economy will be destroyed without actually explaining how said economy will be "gutted"

tenryo · Oct 13, 2006, 12:48 AM // 00:48

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

IT IS NOT THE GOLD.

it is i have it you dont so i am somehow better than you

now a person can join a group and show off his 5,000,000 gold *BUTTERKNIFE OF DOOM* and everybody stokes his/her ego by telling them how fantastic they are to afford a 5,000,000 gold item

when the change hits he/she whips out their *BUTTERKNIFE OF DOOM* and 4 others whip out the very same *BUTTERKNIFE OF DOOM* and laugh at him/her for spending that much

he/she does the ragequit

excellent analogy. I don't have a butterknife of doom but if you whip yours out I'll dully stroke your ego. Then you can stroke my ego for having a slightly less impressive "spork of stupendousness" and the noobies in our group can gawk in awe and then proceed to work for a few months before they too, earn enough to buy their very own spork, whereupon I'll most probably have a butterknife.

Here's my point. I'd rather not have my butterknife of doom now and have to spend a few more weeks farming and merchanting to get it if it retains its rarity. Lets face it. Butterknives, or crystallines, to which they bear an uncanny resemblace, are pretty damn ugly. if it wasn't for the ego trip of being able to whip one out in a grind group or pvp environment, I'd never even want one.

sumrtym · Oct 13, 2006, 12:51 AM // 00:51

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Originally Posted by tenryo

Here's my point. I'd rather not have my butterknife of doom now and have to spend a few more weeks farming and merchanting to get it if it retains its rarity. Lets face it. Butterknives, or crystallines, to which they bear an uncanny resemblace, are pretty damn ugly. if it wasn't for the ego trip of being able to whip one out in a grind group or pvp environment, I'd never even want one.

QFT

Those arguing AGAINST inscriptions are all about how OTHERS perceive them, and want to deny others.

Those arguing FOR inscriptions are all about wanting a character that reflects THEIR style, and don't mind a system that promotes a way they can realistically WORK to obtain those items.

I'm not much of a cater to the ego and shaft everyone else crowd. They're saying it will "ruin" Guild Wars cause no one will fawn over their weapon. They don't get weapons they care about for themselves, only what others think, and only play now for ego stroking. Not much of a contribution to the community in my mind.

I sense a bunch of divorced previously married to an airhead trophy wife people in the future (provided their ego allows for marriage).

tenryo · Oct 13, 2006, 12:53 AM // 00:53

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Originally Posted by Sid Soggybottom

AHAAHAHA! You really think that it takes intelligence to mindlessly farm or trade for enough gold to buy those items? Wow, now I see how low your standards for intelligence are.

And yet again we have people proclaiming that the economy will be destroyed without actually explaining how said economy will be "gutted"

File back a few pages to 30 something for my economic explanation. No fuzzy trickle down economics here. Just simple supply and demand with the ideas of moving utility curves. Simply put, inscriptions destroy much of the marginal utility for owning rare skins. Hence demand falls. Price then falls since supply for rare skins is fairly inelastic. Price falls. If you'd like a short run, medium run, and long run analysis I'd be glad to bore you to tears, but I thought I'd spare everyone the tedious details.

As for intelligence, I concur that it's farily easy and mindless to merchant or farm. However, for those without money, you have to start wondering why they just can't turn over a decent income....

tenryo · Oct 13, 2006, 12:56 AM // 00:56

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Originally Posted by sumrtym

QFT

Those arguing AGAINST inscriptions are all about how OTHERS perceive them.

Those arguing FOR inscriptions are all about wanting a character that reflects THEIR style.

I'm not much of a cater to the ego and shaft everyone else crowd. They're saying it will "ruin" Guild Wars cause no one will fawn over their weapon. They don't get weapons they care about for themselves, only what others think.

I sense a bunch of divorced previously married to an airhead trophy wife people in the future (provided their ego allows for marriage).

Heh... why are Jaguars worth more than Toyotas? Don't people know that the Camry is the most reliable car out there? Point in cheek. Elitism is a goal in itself, and a worthwhile reward for effort spent. You want to "look" as cool as us? Then kindly put in the same effort and I'll be the first to welcome you to the club with open arms.

You want to reflect your "style"? Honestly, I'll be the first to admit that I think longswords... yest the lowly longsword skin... look pretty damn cool. The same can be said about plenty of other common skins. I think Kanaxai's axe looks pretty uber. I think Kaolin blades look soo hot they should be illegal. I think 1.5k kurzick armor is rather striking, as is the infamous droks 1.5k plate. I think sunreach's shield and the endgame exhalted aegis shields look well worth your 25-30k. You can be stylish without owning "splurge items". You cannot, however, be "uber" without owning them, and that, perhaps, is the biggest thorn in some peoples' sides.

I'll say it again: There is no free lunch, and if inscriptions crash the market and you can suddenly afford that crystalline, I'd wager that the taste would be a bit more rancid than if you'd worked for it.

sumrtym · Oct 13, 2006, 01:01 AM // 01:01

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Originally Posted by tenryo

File back a few pages to 30 something for my economic explanation. No fuzzy trickle down economics here. Just simple supply and demand with the ideas of moving utility curves. Simply put, inscriptions destroy much of the marginal utility for owning rare skins. Hence demand falls. Price then falls since supply for rare skins is fairly inelastic. Price falls. If you'd like a short run, medium run, and long run analysis I'd be glad to bore you to tears, but I thought I'd spare everyone the tedious details.

Or, current waste decreases, consumption increases, all accompanied by a fall in prices.

Sorry, I don't scream "inflation ftw".

Want to get technical, feel free. I'm an electrical engineer, minor in industrial engineering, with I'll bet more economics courses under my belt than you.

However, economies aside, is the game more fun with the proposed change? To all but a very slim minority, it's a resounding yes. There's no "suffering" in GW from economy problems, so stop acting like your children will die if it's implemented. Not only that, maybe 15k armor was supposed to be the super high item with FoW for those overzealous ones. A single weapon was never supposed to surpass 15k, much less FoW. They're bringing this back in line, and I applaud them for it, while increasing diversity of weapons and availability to assemble.

sumrtym · Oct 13, 2006, 01:02 AM // 01:02

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Originally Posted by tenryo

Heh... why are Jaguars worth more than Toyotas? Don't people know that the Camry is the most reliable car out there? Point in cheek. Elitism is a goal in itself, and a worthwhile reward for effort spent. You want to "look" as cool as us? Then kindly put in the same effort and I'll be the first to welcome you to the club with open arms.

QFBRT

"quoted for being a repugnent troll"

Still waiting for my 20/20 matched zodiac wands since you all say inscriptions add nothing and anything can be gotten with work. I've tried. Counting down on your 2 days, you can get anything asking on guru....

Fully illustrates the selfishness inherent in their arguments while ignoring all the benefits, and I say this as an "elite" player.

BTW, a crystalline is certainly not on my list. It's butt ugly. I use an Oni, which is not "uber" as you put it, but my favorite sword skin. I for one don't think your items make you "uber". If you do, GW certainly is not the game for you.

tenryo · Oct 13, 2006, 01:13 AM // 01:13

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Originally Posted by sumrtym

Or, current waste decreases, consumption increases, all accompanied by a fall in prices.

Sorry, I don't scream "inflation ftw".

Want to get technical, feel free. I'm an electrical engineer, minor in industrial engineering, with I'll bet more economics courses under my belt than you.

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I'm an Econ/Gov double major. I doubt you do. But that aside, I'd argue that GW's economy has seen steady deflation rather than inflation. Cash is worth more than it's ever been durring my GW tenure, and greens are worth less than I've ever seen them at this point in time.

sumrtym · Oct 13, 2006, 01:17 AM // 01:17

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Originally Posted by tenryo

I'm an Econ/Gov double major. I doubt you do. But that aside, I'd argue that GW's economy has seen steady deflation rather than inflation. Cash is worth more than it's ever been durring my GW tenure, and greens are worth less than I've ever seen them at this point in time.

Following a natural supply/demand curve.

The other side of that is inflation in terms of other items. I doubt we've had prices for things like we have seen now because of stockpiles of gold and limited availability. In that sense, it's very inflationary. And it's the part that is inflationary is about to be brought under control.

winkgood · Oct 13, 2006, 01:17 AM // 01:17

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Originally Posted by sumrtym

QFBRT
Still waiting for my 20/20 matched zodiac wands since you all say inscriptions add nothing and anything can be gotten with work. I've tried. Counting down on your 2 days, you can get anything asking on guru....

Sooner or later you are going to realize that you can't have everything you want. I want FoW armor for all 9 of my PVE characters, but I just can't afford it. I want rare gold skins for all of my characters but oftentimes I settle for collector and green items. I want to have all skills on all of my characters but I can't afford it, and nor do I have the time to invest into capping that many elites. I want to be Rank 14 with a phoenix emote but unfortunately I can't put in that much time to HA.

One of the most exciting things about Guild Wars is that there are trade offs. You can't do everything, so you get to pick and choose. I'm pretty sure that if someone devoted enough time into it, that they could find the mod/skin combinations that you speak of. You demanding that someone show you them to prove the need for inscriptions is very childish. You don't see me demanding that fame be rewarded in random arena just because I don't have a phoenix emote.

Oh, and if you are more concerned about dressing up your character with the perfect "look" than challenging yourself through obtaining rare items and setting goals to do so then I think there is a line of toys by Mattel which would suit your needs perfectly.

sumrtym · Oct 13, 2006, 01:24 AM // 01:24

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Originally Posted by winkgood

Sooner or later you are going to realize that you can't have everything you want. I want FoW armor for all 9 of my PVE characters, but I just can't afford it. I want rare gold skins for all of my characters but oftentimes I settle for collector and green items. I want to have all skills on all of my characters but I can't afford it, and nor do I have the time to invest into capping that many elites. I want to be Rank 14 with a phoenix emote but unfortunately I can't put in that much time to HA.

Absolutely the opposite of what you've been saying, that there's nothing to do in GW.

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Originally Posted by winkgood

One of the most exciting things about Guild Wars is that there are trade offs. You can't do everything, so you get to pick and choose. I'm pretty sure that if someone devoted enough time into it, that they could find the mod/skin combinations that you speak of. You demanding that someone show you them to prove the need for inscriptions is very childish. You don't see me demanding that fame be rewarded in random arena just because I don't have a phoenix emote.

Comparing to an emote is stupid. You have a clear path to success and attainment there, same as FoW armor, 15k armor, etc. The fact I can search for 100s of hours for an item, and post on sites with others with TENS if not HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF HOURS and no one has one clearly illustrates the need for the change, and why it makes the game improved. No one hands anybody anything. It's now a path you can take but still HAVE TO WORK FOR THE SKIN AND COMPONENTS.

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Originally Posted by winkgood

Oh, and if you are more concerned about dressing up your character with the perfect "look" than challenging yourself through obtaining rare items and setting goals to do so then I think there is a line of toys by Mattel which would suit your needs perfectly.

Unobtainable goals are no fun. Obtainable ones are. See my above response.

BTW, setting unrealistic, unobtainable goals is the fastest way to destroy a business and be a failed manager. However, setting obtainable ones (which this allows for FINALLY), meeting them, and then setting NEW GOALS (which you yourself show there is no shortage of) insures success.

Thanks for playing.